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Generation 1 exhaust

Postby bluecab » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:25 pm

Trying to understand the exhaust on the early cars, mine came with just remnants of a system that looks to have been welded up from muffler shop parts, no mufflers in sight!
I see that there should be resonators in the rear from other posts here, but I don't have all the manuals I need yet, so I'm trying to picture where the muffler(s) would go.
I also looked at the Waldron listing, but their photo just looks like a pile of parts.
Can any of you who have functioning cars illuminate me?
Thanks,
David

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Re: Generation 1 exhaust

Postby Twilight Fenrir » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:42 pm

bluecab wrote:Trying to understand the exhaust on the early cars, mine came with just remnants of a system that looks to have been welded up from muffler shop parts, no mufflers in sight!
I see that there should be resonators in the rear from other posts here, but I don't have all the manuals I need yet, so I'm trying to picture where the muffler(s) would go.
I also looked at the Waldron listing, but their photo just looks like a pile of parts.
Can any of you who have functioning cars illuminate me?
Thanks,
David

There should only be one muffler, and it's perpendicular to the car, right next to the rear axle. Both pipes bend into it, then come out the opposite side and continue on to the rear. Crossing over eachother.
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Re: Generation 1 exhaust

Postby xgecko » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:22 am

I can shortly confirm that although the Waldron's picture is for a Riviera they do sell the correct set for Toronados. My exhaust ships today and will arrive early next week and they assure me that it will be correct. Given their experience I can tell you that it seems reasonable.

I will report back what I find.
I have my Fuel Injected Toronado. Life is good! 8-)
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Re: Generation 1 exhaust

Postby bluecab » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:43 am

Did you order the stock size / stock muffler? Looks like they have options for oversized tubes and a performance muffler as well as the stainless setup. I will be very interested to see how you like whichever options you picked.
Do the tips have the correct hangers in the rear? Will they accept the chrome tips?
Thanks!
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In Mid September of 2010 I happened to see a repeat of the show where Jay Leno did his 66 Toronado and had an instant remission of the disease which resulted in my purchase of a 1969 in very good condition. I am now in the process of fully rehabilitating it and hope to have it on the road in the spring of 2011.
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Re: Generation 1 exhaust

Postby xgecko » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:21 am

I ordered the Stock Aluminized kit with the 'Imposter' muffler which is a richer, more throaty sound you mentioned below as the Performance option. They had a nice sound bite to demonstrate what it will more or less sound like and it was just a bit more the way I want it to sound.

The tips should be as came from the factory according to what they said, and I believe my 69 would never have had any cutouts so I suspect they are terminated accordingly.

The parts should arrive early next week and I will report back what I get.
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Re: Generation 1 exhaust

Postby Willysnut1959 » Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:20 pm

After viewing the photos of the original round muffler; viewing Waldron's custom muffler price of $279; and after contacting Walker muffler, I have decided to go with the Walker #22395 which is 4-1/4" thick by 9-3/4" wide and 16" long with dual, opposing, 2-1/4" inlets and outlets. Walker's muffler is $52 at Amazon.com which leaves me $227 to spend on the exhaust pipes. Just putting this out there.

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Re: Generation 1 exhaust

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:39 pm

Thanks Marty,

I too have been looking at mufflers recently. My original still works but has a slight rust spot developing at the bottom. Probably moisture rusting it from the inside out.

I checked with Waldron as you did and said hell no to a $279 muffler!

So Walker's muffler is an oval shape instead of round? I may just buy one and keep it on the shelf until I need it.

I still have my original resonators and tailpipe tips on the car. They would have to be cut off and re-welded back on.
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Re: Generation 1 exhaust

Postby Willysnut1959 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:50 am

I also ordered a pair of exhaust tips from Summit Racing. They are not exact replicas, but are close enough and much cheaper than the exact reproductions.
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Re: Generation 1 exhaust

Postby johnorado » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:10 am

Otto Skorzeny wrote:Thanks Marty,

I too have been looking at mufflers recently. My original still works but has a slight rust spot developing at the bottom. Probably moisture rusting it from the inside out.

I checked with Waldron as you did and said hell no to a $279 muffler!

So Walker's muffler is an oval shape instead of round? I may just buy one and keep it on the shelf until I need it.

I still have my original resonators and tailpipe tips on the car. They would have to be cut off and re-welded back on.


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