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USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby 68 Toro » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:12 pm

For over a year my fuel gauge didn't work. Basically I filled up every 100 miles.

Last month I brought my Toronado in to my mechanic for a slew of repairs including:

1. repair holes in floor pan
2. replace front shocks, upper and lower ball joints and idler arm (sloppy steering)
3. replace both lateral (close to wheels) driveshaft boots (one or both burst every year it seems -- why?)
4. machined rotors (remember, this is a front disc brake Toronado!)
5. repair vacuum loss (headlight doors wouldn't operate and A/C stuck in defrost position)
6. lube squeaky power window tracks
7. completed refurbishing of fuel line that was started during a prior repair visit

This time, the gas tank was removed. I sent the fuel sender to USA PARTS SUPPLY for remanufacturing. It was sent back in about 2 weeks and works normally now. Cost for this was $199 plus shipping to their location in West Virginia. USA PARTS SUPPLY farmed out this work to a third party, but the result is a functioning gas gauge for the first time in over a year. I recommend this company without reservation. Check out their 100-page Oldsmobile catalog!

http://www.usapartssupply.com/

While out, the gas tank was refreshed and the fuel lines replaced: stainless steel and rubber. I have a few photos which I'll post later this week.
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Years Owned: My first Toronado was a 1968 W-34 with the bucket seats and center console... (weeps gently) It was a New England rustbucket in 1982 after less than 14 years. So sad. But it is what infected me and before I knew it I had another '68, a '69, a '70 and eventually inherited a friend's '67 and another friends '73. After buying my brand new Grand Prix in 1988 I retired the last of my Toronados and pulled the 455 I had rebuilt along the way and put it into storage in a friend's barn where it is to this day.
In Mid September of 2010 I happened to see a repeat of the show where Jay Leno did his 66 Toronado and had an instant remission of the disease which resulted in my purchase of a 1969 in very good condition. I am now in the process of fully rehabilitating it and hope to have it on the road in the spring of 2011.
Location: Gig Harbor, WA

Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby xgecko » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:58 am

Thanks for the tip on the Oldsmobile Parts!!! Nice find indeed!
I have my Fuel Injected Toronado. Life is good! 8-)
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Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby janeg » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:51 am

That's great Dave! Thanks for sharing.....
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Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby 68 Toro » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:46 pm

As promised, here are photos of the gas tank.
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Good as new. Maybe better.
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Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby 68 Toro » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:52 pm

Photo of my 43-year-old fuel line (removed from Toronado). This is the one that ran along the right-side frame rail. It is one of a pair of fuel lines. My mechanic replaced the entire fuel line from tank to carb.

A long time ago I read something that went like this:

Once iron ore is processed into steel, it then immediately begins the reverse process of turning back into iron ore.
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Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby Chazzer » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:44 pm

Interesting story David,

I will be sending my unit down there at some point. It's never been accurate and I have mis-calculated a few times. The wife really hates bringing out a can of gas to the middle of no- where!

I'm curious that you had to replace all your front ball joints already. I would have thought that they pretty much would have lasted the life time of the car. You replaced them all with the front brake conversion a few years back I believe. How many miles did you put on the Toro since then?
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Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby 68 Toro » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:45 pm

I have to search through my records. I'll let you know within a few days.
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Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby 68 Toro » Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:47 pm

Upper and lower ball joints were replaced September 2005, at 25,314 miles. This was done during the front disc brake installation.

Upper and lower ball joints were again replaced June 2011, at 31,088 miles. This was done during the fuel system restoration (install remanufactured sending unit, replace fuel lines from tank to mechanical fuel pump, refresh fuel tank).

That's 5 years and 9 months, and 5774 miles, between replacements.

I have a guess why the ball joints seemingly wore out prematurely. I altered my Toronado's steering geometry when I installed custom wheels over the disc brakes. Initially, the custom wheels did not clear the disc brake calipers, so I had to install (you guessed it) custom spacers (also known as adapters) to push the front wheels outward about 1.5". This rectified the disc brake caliper clearance issue. Perhaps this created the premature ball joint wearout issue. Does anyone not agree?
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Years Owned: My first Toronado was a 1968 W-34 with the bucket seats and center console... (weeps gently) It was a New England rustbucket in 1982 after less than 14 years. So sad. But it is what infected me and before I knew it I had another '68, a '69, a '70 and eventually inherited a friend's '67 and another friends '73. After buying my brand new Grand Prix in 1988 I retired the last of my Toronados and pulled the 455 I had rebuilt along the way and put it into storage in a friend's barn where it is to this day.
In Mid September of 2010 I happened to see a repeat of the show where Jay Leno did his 66 Toronado and had an instant remission of the disease which resulted in my purchase of a 1969 in very good condition. I am now in the process of fully rehabilitating it and hope to have it on the road in the spring of 2011.
Location: Gig Harbor, WA

Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby xgecko » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:42 am

I would think that would have a greater impact on the wheel bearing. The Ball Joints should not see much difference. Did you lube the ball joints regularly? It is possible that they dried up.
I have my Fuel Injected Toronado. Life is good! 8-)
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Re: USA Parts Supply - a reputable company

Postby Chazzer » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:33 am

Wow! They certainly did wear out prematurely.

I'm not an engineer or even a front end mechanic but something had to cause all four ball joints to fail at least 1/10-1/20th of their designed life span.

It's not like your driving the car in harsh weather conditions all year round. You have about 1000 miles a year and your down in FLA.

Perhaps the spacers are contributing some how. Every time you turn the wheels the steering geometry is not as it was initially intended. You wheels are three inches outboard then normal. Maybe this does cause extra stress on the whole front end.

Did your mechanic have an thoughts on the matter?
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